【CHOK 独家专访】我们专访了帅到高潮的街舞骚年 ANUK

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Antonio a.k.a. Anuk

采访日期: 2015年3月21日

大家看到的这块鲜肉名叫安东尼奥(Antonio),多数人喊他的昵称 Anuk。对于 30 岁的 Anuk 来说,年龄不是问题,他由内至外都是一个意大利 “资深” 街舞骚年。除了 “街舞”,在他身上还有一堆标签:职业男模、演员、摄影师、设计师。你说哪个标签是他最想甩掉、哪个又是他的最爱?

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这个意大利帅锅是一个可以用两根手指倒立的 Breakdancer,曾两度在中国拿过吉尼斯冠军,上过 CCTV 比赛,现在开始玩摄影和服装设计喽。

“在街舞的战场上,胜负无法预估。能够坚持下来的每一个街舞手都是最棒的!”——Antonio a.k.a. Anuk


为了能够愉快的往下聊,Anuk 坚持要科普什么叫 B-Boy~

B-Boy 一般指 bronx boy 或 break boy,大多数人将那些玩 breaking / break-dance(霹雳舞)的骚年成为 B-Boy,就是我们所说的 “街舞骚年”咯。(请问这真的是在科普吗?不懂的骚年自己去度娘喂鸡)

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Anuk 这个名字要追溯到我搞涂鸦的年代

Anuk 这个昵称要追溯到那些年,我还是一枚涂鸦骚年的时候,常常会画自己名字的首 3 个字母 “Ant”,一天晚上,我和小伙伴在老家附近的一个院子里,给一辆火车 “穿衣服”,我们分工搞那 8 扇窗户,我负责右边,涂着涂着就跳跳唱唱起来(我很傻很天真的,因为那样很容易会被警察抓的)。当时我听着 Anouk 唱的《Nobody’s Wife》,像往常一样画了头两个字母 A 和 N,然后自动转台画出了 U 和 K,我原本真的是想写 Anouk 的,但已经没有位置把 O 给填上了。但我对最后的结果十分满意,从那天起,Anuk 成了我的专属名字。

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我以前也做过一些很牛逼的事情

我在火车和地铁了做了不少疯狂的事。有时候我们会搭上疯狂列车,等它深入意大利乡村时突然拉动紧急刹车,然后下去快速在火车上画一幅涂鸦,没等大伙儿明白发生什么事我们已经逃了;有时候我们也为了在地铁上弄一幅涂鸦,不得不极速飞车 300 公里(因为万恶的监控摄像头,我们只有 5-7 分钟逃出警察魔爪),然后再极速飞车 300 公里回来。我们还有一个藏在山脚下的秘密涂鸦基地,唯一有遮掩的入口在山上,每次我们去那里都必须沿着绳子爬下去,数不清多少个伙伴摔下去过了,那些血的教训也抵挡不了我们疯狂涂鸦。

其他疯狂的事嘛,比如跳伞,大新年的在街上裸奔,揣着 50 欧离开了我的祖国并且花了整整一年环亚洲背包旅行等等,还有,在雾霾的北京住了好几年实际上也是一件很疯狂的事。

▲ 有时候我还喜欢让小伙伴用袋子把自己装着走

▲ 有时候我还喜欢让小伙伴用袋子把自己装着走


从爵士小号手到街舞骚年

作为一个舞者,我喜欢不同类型的乐队和音乐。年轻的时候我玩了六七年的小号,几乎是听着爵士和蓝调长大的,就是 John Coltrane,Miles Davis,Louis Armstrong 这几个哥儿们呗。后来接触到了嘻哈文化,开始玩滑板、涂鸦和跳街舞,也变了口味开始听 R’n’B、灵魂音乐、疯克音乐和说唱。现在我啥都听,只要是好的音乐哈哈。

▲ 不同的音乐给我注入街舞创作的灵感

▲ 不同的音乐给我注入街舞创作的灵感


不工作时背个包环亚洲旅行,看烧尸,被大猩猩追

咳咳,其实我刚刚从泰国回来没多久。我不工作的时候,通常会去旅行,继续我的亚洲摄影项目。去年我走了好多地方,在婆罗洲和大海龟一起潜游,在喜马拉雅山看日出,在尼泊尔巴格马提河印度教烧尸仪式,在热带雨林逃避大猩猩。我边走边拍,跟当地人聊天,记录所见所闻,深入他们的生活,让我重新记起生命的意义。我们浪费了多少时间在一些无谓的事情上面,而忘却来我们真正的目的。

▲ 我经常旅行,这让我重新记起生命的意义

▲ 我经常旅行,这让我重新记起生命的意义

不旅行的时候,我会拍一些好玩的人,折腾我的照片和设计。当然还有跳舞,我可是经常创作新招式的,最近都在闹腾 “flowing” 这个动作,尝试将我所有的动作以一种更动态的方式表达出来。街舞是所有动作的终极形态,它是一个基础同时又没有绝对的规则,你可以一步步达到目标。我不断地思考一些新的过渡技巧,思考占了我练习的一半时间,然而这也许比实践更重要。

▲ 街舞是所有动作的终极形态

▲ 街舞是所有动作的终极形态


打破吉尼斯世界纪录是怎么回事?

我第一次来中国是 2008 年底接受央视邀请参加吉尼斯世界纪录大赛,打破了我自己之前的一项纪录。我曾经在 3 个项目中 5 次打破吉尼斯世界纪录,那次打破的是 “air chair” 姿势最多次连续旋转的纪录,我之前的纪录是 14 转,那次创下了 16 转的纪录。

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我常常对 “别处” 和 “别人” 的生活感兴趣,一直以来我都身兼舞者和模特,当时就已经环过欧洲旅行的我却从没去过亚洲,所以我当去到北京破纪录的时候,我就顺便找了一些模特经纪人,2009 年回意大利短暂的 3 个月之后,我就决定来一趟更长的旅程,然后我就在北京住下来了。对我来说,中国是一个很好的基地,让我去周游其余亚洲国家。中国的经济正在迅猛发展,年轻人在这里可以做很多事情,前途光明啊!未来几年我都不会离开这里。


街舞跳了 17 年,无师自通其实很受伤

1998 年,我接触到街头文化,开始了涂鸦和街舞之路。最开始,我在一个小屁孩组成的小团体里面,听着说唱音乐,穿着宽大的裤子,给自己贴各种标签,不断拿墙壁练手涂鸦。这在当时的意大利还不是什么潮流,更不是时尚。当我们穿着奇奇怪怪的地下品牌加加加大码衣服走在街上,那有种牛逼哄哄的赶脚,觉得自己和 Hip-Hop 扯上关系了。

▲ 我还是个小屁孩的时候,不断拿意大利乡下的墙壁练手涂鸦,有一种牛逼哄哄的赶脚

▲ 我还是个小屁孩的时候,不断拿意大利乡下的墙壁练手涂鸦,有一种牛逼哄哄的赶脚

至于跳街舞嘛,最初刺激到我灵感的是 RUN DMC 对唱 JASON NEVINS 的一首名为 “It’s like that” 的歌,我还记得那段视频是他们男女两队街舞团在地板上对战。天啊!我就要玩这些!很不幸,我是我们那个乡(cheng)下(shi)第一个街舞仔,后来也有些人跟着我开始跳,但是根本没有人教我那些动作都是怎么做出来的,很沮丧的说。而且没有专业的指引,很容易伤筋动骨,所以很多人跳了几个月就退出了,回去画他们的涂鸦了。

于是,我又孤身一人了。只有几个视频和一大堆问号,基本舞步的学习花了我很长时间,也不知道自己哪里出了错,那时候还没有互联网呢。但另一方面,这也对我形成个人风格有很大的帮助,成就了今天的我。

▲ 练街舞就是坚持,晕也要继续转

▲ 练街舞就是坚持,晕也要继续转


谁是中国街舞届的 No.1 ?

在街舞的战场上,胜负总是无法预估的,有时候一个专业舞手也会输给初出茅庐的骚年。可能你那天背到家了啥大招都发不出来,或者对方走了狗屎运突然很想赢,然后你就输了。对我来说,能够坚持下来的街舞手就是最棒的!不管遇到什么挫折,就是继续跳下去,这就是游戏规则。只要坚持,并且不断创新舞步动作,总有一天有回报的。

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为什么受伤的总是我?因为你就是最坚强的那个!

小伤就不提了,在我的职业生涯里,有好几次重伤。2006 年我在一场比赛中摔了左边手肘(我是左撇子),脱臼加上多发性骨折,医生说我以后不能再跳舞了。足足一年多,我的手碰不到地板。我利用这段时间加强腿部力量练习,增强身体的灵活性,探索新的跳舞方法,同时,我尤其注重锻炼我的右臂。以往我用左手完成的动作,我都学会了用右手做到。

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去年 11 月,我的右膝盖脱臼了,几乎一个月走不了路,直到现在还有些问题。照例,我练习倒立,或者跳一些伸直右腿的动作,发明新的舞步动作。我还开始练习头部,甚至尝试集中精神将能量转移到膝盖,促进血液循环以帮助它更快痊愈。

不能做自己最喜欢的事情(跳舞)当然很难受,但拥有耐心和不屈不挠的精神很重要。而且,有时候歇一歇也是好事,这让我可以去感受疼痛。疼痛仿佛在提醒我,你现在做着这些事不是因为过去曾经这样,而是你现在仍然热爱。疼痛让我找回最初的激情,比受伤前更佳强烈。


街舞是我的信仰,再穷也要跳下去!

没钱的时候真的很难专心一致地坚持,尤其当自己或家人经历疾病困苦的时候。我一边收获大家的祝福和不可思议的机遇,同时又有着多于我能承担的压力。但我真的从来没有想过放弃。街舞就是我的自我疗愈,是我的一种瑜伽和冥想的方式,能使我找到身心的平衡。

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设计衣服就像在墙上画涂鸦

我当了十年的模特,渐渐对服装设计产生了兴趣,和形象达人和裁缝高手一起工作,让我知道了一件衣服从无到有的全过程,我就好像回到学校一样,而且拿着模特的酬劳。设计衣服,让我找回以前在墙上和火车上涂鸦的感觉;而有自己的设计品牌,就像那时我在城市街道上留下自己名字一样。老实说,我受街头文化和涂鸦的影响蛮大的。

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▲ 这次 2014/2015 秋冬系列的设计灵感,来自于我的旅行摄影,很多款衣服的图案都是基于我在柬埔寨、缅甸、印尼、蒙古和越南的照片。2015 春夏系列也要出来了,先卖个关子!


跳街舞和设计,有时他们都气死我了

跳舞让我身体累到屎,到了那种程度是会睡不着的,因为整个身体都在尖叫。精神上也有不少压力,上场比赛前我会尽量集中精神去想我的动作和舞步,不断在脑海中重复又重复。头脑必须很清晰,花了那么多年我才找到自己的方法,并且知道如何处理那些压力。

而经营一个品牌又是一个完全不同的故事了。我必须考虑成千上万的细节,处理各种突发状况,必须想出好点子,找对方向,管理好时间和金钱,还得找材料、找工厂、打广告。即使你认为自己成功了,创作了一些很牛的产品,但你但顾客可能并不那么认为,这就足以打回原形了。所以嘛,我猜这个要比跳舞更累吧。


不知何时起我成了空中飞人

我的日子过得没啥规律。当模特可以很忙,旺季的时候我甚至都没有自己的社交生活了。过年的时候,我一周之内从广州去了厦门、深圳、上海,回广州又去香港,在这样的情形下我也会尽力去找跳舞的空间,实在不行我就做瑜伽。一天 24 小时,我基本上就是起床、晨早拉伸、吃早餐、搭出租车去机场、坐飞机、工作、工作、工作、坐飞机、坐出租车、跳舞(太晚就只能瑜伽代替了)、睡觉。

如果没那么忙,我就会到处旅行,认识新朋友,拍拍其他模特,折腾他们的照片,设计新衣服,和我的小伙伴们瞎逛。

▲ 不忙的时候我喜欢帮其他模特搞搞照片

▲ 不忙的时候我喜欢帮其他模特搞搞照片


我们都来自同一个地方,但我们都在这里经历我们自己的人生,用自己的方法学习去认识这个世界。所以,无论你在做什么,不要浪费时间去模仿别人、跟随别人的脚步。做你自己吧,独一无二的你!安东尼奥 Anuk

大招是必须得秀的!

大招是什么?我不是招招都大吗?这个真的是见仁见智,今天真的喜欢这个妹纸明天可能又觉得无聊了。不过上得了  ChokStick 的专访,肯定不会空手而来的,我的大招就是 “air chair spins”(手肘支撑整个身体,胸口朝上脚朝天的旋转动作)、“spiders”(蜘蛛),还有一些灵活的 “freezes”(凝住)之类的,嗯,用两只手指倒立也算一个吧。


喜欢这样坚持不懈的肉肉骚年?安东尼奥前段时间和 ChokStick 一起拍了一段视频,用街舞的基本技巧教大家如何在办公室 “骚动起来”,防止低头族和久坐族犯病,想看安东尼 Anuk 激情亲身示范 “不深蹲,无翘臀” 的骚年,要继续关注我们的文章了,随时发射,杀你一个措手不及!

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Hello everybody! My name is Antonio a.k.a. Anuk, I’m a 30 years old Italian B-BOY, model, actor, photographer, designer. For those who don’t know, a b-boy (bronx boy / break boy), is someone who does b-boying, or how most of the people call it: breaking / break-dance.

ChokStick: What does Anuk mean?

My nickname goes back to when I was a graffiti writer: before I used to write “Ant”, the first 3 letters of my name, then one night me and my crew mate were in a yard not far from our hometown, doing a piece on a train. The wagon we were doing was eight windows, so we shared four each. I was at the right side of it, jumping and singing, (not smart to do especially when you are doing something they could arrest you for).. in my walkman was playing “nobody’s wife” from the singer Anouk. As usual, I started drawing the first two letters: A and N, then automatically listening to the music I went on with U and K. I wanted to write Anouk but there wasn’t enough space so I took out the O. I was so satisfied with the final result that from that day on, Anuk is what I have always be writing. It became my name.

ChokStick: What’s the craziest thing you’ve ever done?

I’m not sure what’s the craziest thing I have ever done. Some actions on trains and subways were pretty extreme. Sometimes we were riding on the train, waiting for it to go deep into the italian countryside… then we were pulling the emergency break, making it stop.. going down and doing graffitis on it, then running away before anyone could understand what was happening. Sometimes we were driving 300 kilometers just for spray painting some metro for five minutes, (some place is under video surveillance.. when you break in you just have from five to seven minutes before the police comes after you), and then driving another 300 kilometers back.

I remember we had this train yard, at the foot of a mountain; the only covered entrance was at the top, so every time we wanted to go, we had to climb down with ropes..from time to time someone was falling down ending up covered in blood.

Other things that could count pretty crazy were: sky diving. Running naked around my city during new year’s event. Leaving my country with just 50 euros in my pocket and managing to stay out of it for an entire year. Backpacking around Asia.

ah almost forgot.. living in Beijing for several years considering the air pollution level, this is indeed crazy…

ChokStick: What music and bands inspire you most?

I don’t really have a favorite band or musician. Being a dancer, I like different genders. When I was young I played trumpet for 6-7 years, so I grew up listening to jazz and blues (John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Louis Armstrong). Then when I got in contact with the Hip-Hop culture and I started skate boarding, graffiti writing and b-boying, I switched to R’n’B, soul, funk and rap. Right now I listen to everything, as long as it’s genuine.

ChokStick: Got any new moves or thicks on your dancing?

Well, I just came back from a  two weeks trip to Thailand. If I don’t have to work I usually travel around a lot. I Go on with my photography project about Asia. In the last years I have been to a bunch of different countries. I have swam with giant sea turtles in Borneo, seen the sun rising from the Himalayas, looked at young people cremating their parents on the banks of the Bagmati river. Ran from gorillas in some tropical forest. Wherever I go, I shoot the reality as I see it. I talk to the locals, learn from them, share with them. Understanding how they live, their daily struggles, reminds me of what’s important in life and what is useless. How much time we waste taking care of things that aren’t even supposed to exist, while we forget about our true purpose.

When I’m not traveling I usually shoot pictures of people I find interesting, work on my photographs and designs, and of course, dance a lot! I’m always creating new moves. Recently I’m focused on the concept of “flowing”. I’m trying to express all my moves in a more dynamic way. B-boying is the ultimate form of movement. There are foundations but also no strict rules. You can literally do whatever you want. I spend hours and hours thinking about new transitions. Usually half of my practice is in my mind. And it’s probably more important then the physical part.

ChokStick: How long have you been staying in China? Why have you come in the first place?

The first time I came to China was at the end of 2008 for a Guinness World Record on CCTV. They invited me to break one of my previous records. I am currently five times Guinness World Record breaker in Three different categories. That time was for the most consecutive rotations in “air chair” position. My old record was 14 and I performed 16 during the attempt.

I have always been interested in how life was on the other side of the world. I was already both working as a dancer and as a model. I had traveled all around Europe but I have never came to Asia before, so while I was in Beijing for the World Record, I went looking for some modeling agency. In 2009 I came back with a 3 months contract.. decided to stay a little bit longer for traveling… and I have been living here since then. China for me is a good base for visiting other asian countries. The economy is still growing pretty fast and there’s still hope for young people to build something. I see good opportunities here. I don’t think I’m going anywhere for the next couple of years.

ChokStick: Why do you become fan of street dance? Who do you learned from? What’s your signature move?

I got in contact with the Hip-hop culture around 1998. That’s when I started doing graffitis and b-boying. At first we were a small group of kids listening to rap music and wearing baggy trousers.. going around “tagging” and doing pieces on the walls. At that time in Italy those outfits weren’t a trend, weren’t fashion. So if you were wearing some particular underground brand or oversize clothes, it really meant something..you were somehow related to Hip-Hop.

Regarding dancing, at the beginning the thing that inspired me the most was the song: “It’s like that” from RUN DMC vs JASON NEVINS. In the video there were two groups of B-boys and B-girls battling on the floor. Man, I had to get those moves! Unfortunately I was the first b-boy in my city. Another couple of guys started right after me but not having anyone teaching you the proper way of moving, can be frustrating.. and it can really hurt your bones.. so all of them just quit after few months, just going on with graffiti writing. So there I was, alone. With just few videos to watch and a bunch of questions. It took long long time to learn basic steps, as I didn’t know what I was doing wrong, (no internet tutorials or anything like that at the time), but on the other hand, it helped me developing a personal style that got me to where I am today.

After few years, when I got my first motorbike and I was able to move around more, I got in touch with other kids from neighbor  cities. Some of them are still the ones that I can consider my true friends. I grew up and shared a wonderful part of my life with them.

ChokStick: Who is the best Chinese b-boy?

It is really hard to say. In general, battles are unpredictables. Sometimes an expert dancer looses against someone that just started few years ago. You can be having a bad day and not execute anything, or the other guy can simply be hungrier then you and take it.  For me the best people are the ones that are consistent. That keep on dancing no matter what. That are true to the game. And the people that give something back to b-boying. Being original and introducing new moves.

ChokStick: I’ve been told you injured yourself during a dance battle, what is it feel like to be not able to dance in a period of time?

During my career I had several injuries. Some of them pretty serious. In 2006 I broke my left elbow during a competition (I am left handed). Dislocation and multiple fracture. The doctors told me I wouldn’t be able to dance anymore. For more then a year I could not put my hand on the floor. I used this time stretching my legs, increasing my flexibility. Exploring new ways of dancing, and especially, practicing the right arm. Most of what I was doing on the left, I learnt to do on the right.

Last november I dislocated my left knee. I couldn’t walk for almost a month. Now it’s still giving me problems. Same thing.. I was doing handstands, or dancing keeping that leg straight. Exploring new ways of movement. Then I was practicing in my head a lot, and I was getting focused on moving my energy and making it flow to the knee for a faster healing.

Of course it sucks not to be able to do what you like the most, but patience and perseverance are important. Also.. sometimes it’s good to take a break, it allows you to feel pain, to miss it. It proves you that you are not doing it just cause you are already used to it, but cause you still really love it. It allows you to get back at it stronger then before.  

ChokStick: Have you ever thought about quitting?

It’s hard to keep focus when you don’t have money and you can’t provide for yourself and your family. Or when  some of them is going through serious illness. As long as I had blessings and amazing opportunities, I also had my more then equal share of shit. But I seriously never really thought about quitting. B-Boying is my way of meditating. My form of yoga. It is what keeps me in balance.

ChokStick: Tell us about your own brand.

Ahahah no it’s not because of that. I have been doing modeling for the last ten years. I guess that getting an interest in designing my own clothes is a short step. Working with good stylists and tailors helped me to understand how the whole process goes: from the sketch on paper to the final product. Collaborating with them was like learning and being in school, while I was getting paid for my modeling job. I also think I’m just doing what I used to do on trains and walls. My  Painting on clothes is like another way of bringing my name around the city. In general I can say that I’m pretty much influenced by the Hip-Hop culture and graffiti writing. The 2014/15 autumn winter collection was inspired by my traveling photography. Most of the pieces are based on pictures that I shot in Cambodia, Burma, Indonesia, Mongolia and Vietnam.

I’m gonna release the 2015 spring/summer collection very soon, so stay tuned!

ChokStick: Compared to dancing, is it harder to manage a brand?

They both make me happy and piss me off from time to time.

Dancing makes you physically tired. That kind of tiredness that sometimes does’t even allow you to sleep cause your body is screaming out loud. Mentally, there’s also a lot of pressure. Before battles I try to stay as focused as I can on my moves and rounds. Repeating them in my head over and over again. You need to be in the right state of mind. After so many years I have my own routine and I know how to manage that kind of stress.

Taking care of a brand is an entire different story. You have to consider a thousand details, deal with so many unpredictable things. You need to come out with the right idea, develop it in the right direction,  invest time and money in it, find the right fabrics, the right factories, advertise it in the right way. And even if you think you succeeded and created some dope product, your customers might not like it and you are back to square one. So yeah.. I guess this makes it more tiring then dancing.

ChokStick: What you do in daily life besides dancing?

I don’t really have a standard way of spending my day. My model job can get very busy. If it is high season I don’t have much of a social life. Right before the Chinese new year break I went from Guangzhou to Xiamen, to Shenzhen, to Shanghai, to Guangzhou, to Hong Kong in less then a week. In these circumstances I try to find space for dancing, and if I can’t, I do yoga instead. In this case the 24 hours are more or less: wake up, morning stretching, breakfast, taxi to the airport, flight, work, work, work, flight, taxi, dancing ( or yoga if too late), sleep.

If it’s not that busy I travel around, meet new people, shoot other models, work on their photographs, design new clothes, hang out with my crew.

ChokStick: Anything to say to end this interview?

We all come from the same place, but we are all here for doing our personal experience and for learning things in our own personal way. So, whatever you do, don’t waste your time imitating others, following their steps. Be true to yourself. Be unique.

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